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		<title>By: Scientivore</title>
		<link>http://www.soulgeek.com/comics/zona/2010/04/16/page-357/#comment-7691</link>
		<dc:creator>Scientivore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 22:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JED, I think it bears repeating (and explanation) that "if you’re talking about a specific couple then what matters is their own particular sex drives, not the average." None of us here are going to have sex with a totally random selection of women whose quantity approaches infinity, so the statistics are far more interesting than useful. I wish that more science reporters would make that clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JED, I think it bears repeating (and explanation) that &#8220;if you’re talking about a specific couple then what matters is their own particular sex drives, not the average.&#8221; None of us here are going to have sex with a totally random selection of women whose quantity approaches infinity, so the statistics are far more interesting than useful. I wish that more science reporters would make that clear.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.soulgeek.com/comics/zona/2010/04/16/page-357/#comment-7462</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MacNut- Okay, you probably won't read this but I'll say it anyway.

 At 11, in my first year of "senior school" as we call it here, everyone had sex ed classes, where we learned how things worked. Many people (me included) already knew because our parents had taught us.
 So saying parents don't want their kids knowing is VERY much a cultural thing. It doesn't translate to most European countries. Admittedly I don't think any 'rents here would want to discuss TECHNIQUE with their kids- I imagine the idea of their children having sex is akin to the thought of our parents having sex. ("Yes, we know you do it and that's fine, but we'd rather not think of it, mmkay?") But it's not the taboo here that it is in America, and young men often have a different opinion to the one described here. I've often heard it said (and of course, found myself) that the best thing during sex is the woman enjoying herself- so many (although not all, by a LONG shot) men will try to ensure that. 

 Just my thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MacNut- Okay, you probably won&#8217;t read this but I&#8217;ll say it anyway.</p>
<p> At 11, in my first year of &#8220;senior school&#8221; as we call it here, everyone had sex ed classes, where we learned how things worked. Many people (me included) already knew because our parents had taught us.<br />
 So saying parents don&#8217;t want their kids knowing is VERY much a cultural thing. It doesn&#8217;t translate to most European countries. Admittedly I don&#8217;t think any &#8216;rents here would want to discuss TECHNIQUE with their kids- I imagine the idea of their children having sex is akin to the thought of our parents having sex. (&#8221;Yes, we know you do it and that&#8217;s fine, but we&#8217;d rather not think of it, mmkay?&#8221;) But it&#8217;s not the taboo here that it is in America, and young men often have a different opinion to the one described here. I&#8217;ve often heard it said (and of course, found myself) that the best thing during sex is the woman enjoying herself- so many (although not all, by a LONG shot) men will try to ensure that. </p>
<p> Just my thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Lictre</title>
		<link>http://www.soulgeek.com/comics/zona/2010/04/16/page-357/#comment-7441</link>
		<dc:creator>Lictre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Xavier  Welcome to the following, and wait until you get into the discussions more.   Nicely realized world that you find out so much about in the discussions, especially with Jed participating and educating the readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Xavier  Welcome to the following, and wait until you get into the discussions more.   Nicely realized world that you find out so much about in the discussions, especially with Jed participating and educating the readers.</p>
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		<title>By: Xavier</title>
		<link>http://www.soulgeek.com/comics/zona/2010/04/16/page-357/#comment-7440</link>
		<dc:creator>Xavier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 19:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this comic just two days ago and read it straight until today. Completely blown away by the art and story, can't praise enough the author and anyone involved, just as I can't wait for the rest of it. Kudos!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this comic just two days ago and read it straight until today. Completely blown away by the art and story, can&#8217;t praise enough the author and anyone involved, just as I can&#8217;t wait for the rest of it. Kudos!</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mentl looks kind of mental in this one.</description>
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		<title>By: Lora</title>
		<link>http://www.soulgeek.com/comics/zona/2010/04/16/page-357/#comment-7436</link>
		<dc:creator>Lora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, considering this discussion(which have been very interesting!), I feel obliged to post a link to a great blog on sex, gender and everything in between and around. :) I hope you don't mind, JED.
http://realadultsex.com/ 

It actually has some posts on anatomy and technique, which I haven't seen in other blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, considering this discussion(which have been very interesting!), I feel obliged to post a link to a great blog on sex, gender and everything in between and around. <img src='http://www.soulgeek.com/comics/zona/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> I hope you don&#8217;t mind, JED.<br />
<a href="http://realadultsex.com/" rel="nofollow">http://realadultsex.com/</a> </p>
<p>It actually has some posts on anatomy and technique, which I haven&#8217;t seen in other blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: rewind</title>
		<link>http://www.soulgeek.com/comics/zona/2010/04/16/page-357/#comment-7435</link>
		<dc:creator>rewind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Professor:
I agree wholeheartedly but what you forgot to mention was the parents who do try to have "the talk" and end up screwing it up so badly that their child is either more confused, or worse absolutely terrified, at the thought of having sex. For instance when my dad tried to give me the talk all he really said were that men and women are like puzzle pieces and they fit together perfectly. That was it and I was confused as I could possibly be. Then my mom tried and she told me that sex was a horrible and dirty thing and I should never have it! Mentally scarring? heck yeah, i wouldn't doubt that this is the reason I was a virgin till I was 20. Just thought I would chime in :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Professor:<br />
I agree wholeheartedly but what you forgot to mention was the parents who do try to have &#8220;the talk&#8221; and end up screwing it up so badly that their child is either more confused, or worse absolutely terrified, at the thought of having sex. For instance when my dad tried to give me the talk all he really said were that men and women are like puzzle pieces and they fit together perfectly. That was it and I was confused as I could possibly be. Then my mom tried and she told me that sex was a horrible and dirty thing and I should never have it! Mentally scarring? heck yeah, i wouldn&#8217;t doubt that this is the reason I was a virgin till I was 20. Just thought I would chime in <img src='http://www.soulgeek.com/comics/zona/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Raoul</title>
		<link>http://www.soulgeek.com/comics/zona/2010/04/16/page-357/#comment-7434</link>
		<dc:creator>Raoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 09:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diplomacy; Okay I can deal. Flower arranging; meh. Typesetting? Oh, god, that's a nasty knock, but, okay. Research librarian; well, she's beautiful, and honest , and brave and…okay, okay, I can handle it. Embroidery, Quilting, hell, we'll wear animal skins anyway.
Model boat building. NOOOOOOO! How can I ever give my heart to a woman who can't construct a model of the Bounty in a bottle for me?

*Sob* Sorry, princess.

 Also, I feel strangely cheated that while everyone else is feeling all romantic and gushy (save for those rehashing gender roles, which I won't get into, for I alas, tend to rant), I keep hearing the Crüe's "Girls, Girls, Girls!"

Truth is, though, to me, this is all a poor second to Mentl holding off the Urts with a frying pan, or turning down the Kivilian Queen, Zona vowing to eviscerate the entire Urt nation for tormenting Mentl, or the 'cha-balancing' moment between Zona and Mentl. Those and others like them were the magic moments JED has given me—this is simply the result. I'll add that I think, or hope, anyway, it's going to take much more than Mum and Whosname to tear these two asunder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diplomacy; Okay I can deal. Flower arranging; meh. Typesetting? Oh, god, that&#8217;s a nasty knock, but, okay. Research librarian; well, she&#8217;s beautiful, and honest , and brave and…okay, okay, I can handle it. Embroidery, Quilting, hell, we&#8217;ll wear animal skins anyway.<br />
Model boat building. NOOOOOOO! How can I ever give my heart to a woman who can&#8217;t construct a model of the Bounty in a bottle for me?</p>
<p>*Sob* Sorry, princess.</p>
<p> Also, I feel strangely cheated that while everyone else is feeling all romantic and gushy (save for those rehashing gender roles, which I won&#8217;t get into, for I alas, tend to rant), I keep hearing the Crüe&#8217;s &#8220;Girls, Girls, Girls!&#8221;</p>
<p>Truth is, though, to me, this is all a poor second to Mentl holding off the Urts with a frying pan, or turning down the Kivilian Queen, Zona vowing to eviscerate the entire Urt nation for tormenting Mentl, or the &#8216;cha-balancing&#8217; moment between Zona and Mentl. Those and others like them were the magic moments JED has given me—this is simply the result. I&#8217;ll add that I think, or hope, anyway, it&#8217;s going to take much more than Mum and Whosname to tear these two asunder.</p>
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		<title>By: The Macnut</title>
		<link>http://www.soulgeek.com/comics/zona/2010/04/16/page-357/#comment-7433</link>
		<dc:creator>The Macnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 01:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love your reply to the "hot" discussion I started, JED. I'd just like to say one thing about the whole teaching boys to be good lovers for girls would enjoy sex more thing; unfortunately, in this society, that's going to be strictly the job of the parents-and many parents don't even want their kids knowing about sex (never mind HAVING it) before 18-or later. Many parents don't even like the idea of schools teaching sex ed, and refuse to acknowledge the reality that most people (in the Western world anyway) have had and WILL have their first sexual experience in their mid-to-late teens, if not earlier.

Many parents can't even handle "the Talk" about the basic mechanics of sex and how it makes babies, never mind talking to their boys about technique! A boy's gonna have to learn all that on his own. Fortunately the info's out there on the Web if he cares to search for it (and isn't distracted by all the porn...).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love your reply to the &#8220;hot&#8221; discussion I started, JED. I&#8217;d just like to say one thing about the whole teaching boys to be good lovers for girls would enjoy sex more thing; unfortunately, in this society, that&#8217;s going to be strictly the job of the parents-and many parents don&#8217;t even want their kids knowing about sex (never mind HAVING it) before 18-or later. Many parents don&#8217;t even like the idea of schools teaching sex ed, and refuse to acknowledge the reality that most people (in the Western world anyway) have had and WILL have their first sexual experience in their mid-to-late teens, if not earlier.</p>
<p>Many parents can&#8217;t even handle &#8220;the Talk&#8221; about the basic mechanics of sex and how it makes babies, never mind talking to their boys about technique! A boy&#8217;s gonna have to learn all that on his own. Fortunately the info&#8217;s out there on the Web if he cares to search for it (and isn&#8217;t distracted by all the porn&#8230;).</p>
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		<title>By: Professor 61771</title>
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		<dc:creator>Professor 61771</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 01:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jed-in regards to virginity, I say "Hell Yeah!".  Historically it is  VERY arguable that the reason weddings and Monogamy were "created" or became the "norm" was quite simple.  Money.
The church/government needed to keep the tax rolls straight so they could get their taxes/tithes from the people.  Before Virginity and Monogamy were so actively preached about, women had a right to own property, inheritance was through maternal lines rather than paternal, and marriage was not such a large deal.  Also virginity was not a virtue, indeed a woman that had already had a child, and survived, was much more "valuable" to her society.
I really enjoy these topics of gender, sex, society, religion, etc, etc...but back to the story!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jed-in regards to virginity, I say &#8220;Hell Yeah!&#8221;.  Historically it is  VERY arguable that the reason weddings and Monogamy were &#8220;created&#8221; or became the &#8220;norm&#8221; was quite simple.  Money.<br />
The church/government needed to keep the tax rolls straight so they could get their taxes/tithes from the people.  Before Virginity and Monogamy were so actively preached about, women had a right to own property, inheritance was through maternal lines rather than paternal, and marriage was not such a large deal.  Also virginity was not a virtue, indeed a woman that had already had a child, and survived, was much more &#8220;valuable&#8221; to her society.<br />
I really enjoy these topics of gender, sex, society, religion, etc, etc&#8230;but back to the story!</p>
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