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September 4th, 2009 at 12:24 am
OUCH!
September 4th, 2009 at 12:28 am
And Tethik takes the HIT.
Damn. Lean and trained as he is, the lord isn’t as thick skinned as a Bear man…
He’s no glass jaw, but… I’m worried.
September 4th, 2009 at 12:48 am
Ouch, that’s gotta hurt. I wonder if that’s the end or if Tethik can bounce back from that. I figure a trained fighter like Tethik who’s probably had some experience fighting these guys has taken these sorts of hits before… but it sounds like that was a long time ago.
September 4th, 2009 at 12:58 am
I’m liking Tethik more and more. Perhaps it’s because he looks and acts like a Vulcan. And JED, thanks for showing at least SOME people with chest hair. I’ was starting to feel oppressed because my type of people are never represented in comics.
TMI?
September 4th, 2009 at 1:01 am
Oh well, it was a nice fight while it lasted. Even if Teth isn’t down for the count from this blow, it’ll have his head spinning, ears ringing, and set him up nicely for the knockout.
Unless he can pull off a knockout blow himself real soon, I think Tethik is done.
September 4th, 2009 at 1:03 am
Well, he got in some good punches, but that punch looked nasty.
September 4th, 2009 at 1:09 am
Ohh Ow . . . I felt that all the way out here in crossdimentional Idaho. Again, you’re full of surprises JED. Damn, now I gotta wait ’til next Tuesday.
September 4th, 2009 at 3:19 am
Oh, dear…
(But very realistic.)
*still cheering for Team Tethik, only now the pompoms are being wielded uncheerleaderishly (never was one to begin with, back in school) by whapping bull-y-boy on the head…*
September 4th, 2009 at 3:36 am
Well as i said before. Win or lose, he has earned respect !
September 4th, 2009 at 4:43 am
Come on Tethik! You don’t need to be conscious to get him!
September 4th, 2009 at 4:57 am
I forsee this going the same way, only with the dialog differing slightly, no matter who wins. Tethik, either bound and unconscious, or victorious. is brought before the king, whom after a bit of tension, laughs his face off or scolds the young fighter for even thinking of stopping this esteemed guest.
September 4th, 2009 at 5:04 am
K.O. Bull tribe wins!
September 4th, 2009 at 5:13 am
Was he going for a crotch shot?
September 4th, 2009 at 6:34 am
I was half-expecting this. But win or lose, getting into a fistfight with this Erogenian will get Tethik points.
September 4th, 2009 at 7:09 am
Tmi? Hogwash! Embrace your manly hairiness, Captain Marsupial. That way I’ll have some company.
Really like the page today. If it doesn’t sound too bloodthirsty of me to say I really like the second panel I think it is very well done. The way JE has captured the moment just after the punch lands is well, pretty close to perfect.
Here’s hoping Tethik gets back up.
September 4th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Sorry, but Donnil there looks too bullheaded (and not just as a tribe affiliation) to acknowledge Tethik’s skill. He just looks pissed off at having Tethik count the first blow to land, the first blood to spill, and several more bloody blows after that. Somehow I don’t think Donnil’s going to be too thoughtful about how well his opponent can fight. The expression on his face (again, John, you do a lovely job with expressions) suggests Donny is mad at Tethik, and determined to “balance the cha” through more combat, not through acknowledging that he was being an overly aggressive, unfriendly twit…
September 4th, 2009 at 8:14 am
I don’t think that was a KO, notice how JED has the hit and the “–careless” after it. Don’t worry about a rung bell for the count, he is trained and experienced, which means muscle memory can keep him going even if he took a shot harder than he intended.
September 4th, 2009 at 8:36 am
Wow, yet another great page. I’m guessing that Tethik knows how to roll with a punch. If not, I don’t think Donnil’s companions would allow any ‘kicking while he’s down.’ That’s not good for the cha.
Oh, and I checked, we’ve slipped back into the 30’s. Vote everyone.
September 4th, 2009 at 11:23 am
age wise I’d guess 16+18 as her earliest so 34 and 24+24 as her oldest, so 34-48. 20 years ago would put him 40-45 probably.
So far no throws, kicking, gouging or dirty tricks so its definitely looking like social fighting.
Remember this is a world with magic healers so they can let it all hangout a bit more than we would and still expect to be fresh for dinner.
September 4th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Tethik must practice a fair amount with a heavy bag or equivalent even nowadays. I’ve been in a few long fights when I was a lot younger, and after hitting a guy in the head a few times your knuckles show it almost as much as his face, unless they’ve been toughened up. To paraphrase a quote I read somewhere, “hit the soft spots with your fists, for the hard parts use a utensil”.
September 4th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Well, this is what Ben’s Aunt Petunia might call a “revoltin’ development.”
Still, to clear up a couple of things:
It doesn’t give out any secrets to say that Queen Yanora at this time in the story is 49, and Tethik is 47. Being at the top of the food chain - literally and socially - they naturally look a lot better for their age than poorer Kivalians. To go down the list, in case there’s any other question:
Zona is 25 years old. Mentl: 26. Tula is 22. Maldik is 21, his older brother Gudik is 26.
The time of the old Urtt wars was between 25-23 or 20 years ago, depending on where you mark it. Some mark the end of the wars as the battle of the River Yurit, the last major pitched battle between the allied armies and the Urtt armies, where they were forced to retreat permanently to their own country. Other historians note that raids and skirmishes continued by both sides for well over two years before the Urtts finally got the idea and stopped crossing the river. The question may arise: Why not simply press on and exterminate them? For the answer to that, you will have to wait until Ipola herself articulates it in a future story arc. Or maybe I’ll have Tula explain, but suffice that there were and are excellent reasons to simply leave it at the river.
Throughout the wars there was constant cat-herding on the part of the Erogenian and Kivalian commanders. It is not a marriage made in Heaven, to say the least. Fights such as this one were the most common and least destructive result, (they were generally tolerated, as very often there was even a productive outcome) but even after the alliance, there was still actual bloodshed occasionally when the two forces were in close proximity, and old grudges and prejudices came into play. With all that, naturally people of the two cultures still would meet and create friendships and even marriages. (or just to bump fuzzy) The siege of Normos, in particular, was a stirring case of the two sides following a single leader’s example and delivering a unified, crushing defeat to the Urtts. The leader in question was Zonn, Zona’s father, who was always liked and respected in Kivalia as well as Erogenia. Unsurprisingly, a young Tethik of Dell was at that battle as was King Tor of the Bull Tribe and a multitude of Kivalian and Erogenian warriors.
There - you now have a little background on this story and a couple questions answered.
Just like the Appendices at the back of Lord Of The Rings, huh? Sorta.
September 4th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
MaxBigfoot - My sensei taught us to hit with the elbow whenever you can for a lot of reasons, not the least that one. He was a little guy about 5′5″ and used to show us the conditioning of his forearms by repeatedly slamming a desk top (no, not a computer. An actual desk.) with no ill effect, but the noise was deafening. He was about 50 at the time, but I wouldn’t mess with him, even today. As he once told us seriously: “Hey - there’s some old men out there that *can* kill you.”
September 4th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
I stand by my original idea, (which i did not both to state a couple days ago). I agree that it was politically savvy to lower the challenge to fisticuffs. I agree that he may have more to win in this fight by loosing than by winning. However, I am skeptical that Erogenian society would have any sympathy for him if he went down on the first punch. That said, I thing he may have just pulled exactly the maneuver the narrator was foreshadowing… Taking a deliberate hit when HE meant to, to end it before it gets any worse… He has landed a number of good shots, and thus respect… but if you want to keep Cha balanced, he needs a reason for them to be allowed to bind him, and loosing will work quite nicely… And yet end with him being respected because of how long he held his own, despite the culture he was from.
September 4th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Wolf
You pretty well called it as I intended to comment - the punch Tethik just took may have been an intentional, face-saving dive.
JED, that fourth panel - “My wind really isn’t what it was …” is awesome. I’ve worn that look myself, when the air starts getting hard to find.
September 4th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
*daammm* I agree with wolf; I believe it was intentional
September 4th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Might have been intentional but if it wasn’t and he’s not unconsoious he not out of the fight. I don’t recall any Marquis of Queensbury riles being cited so a kick or trip from a prone position is still possible. I think he was going for a solar plexus blow. Even if Donnil is too mad to give him his propers I think the onlookers will.
September 4th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
I detect some method to Tethik’s madness
September 4th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
He left himself open. Whether it was intentional or not, he was knocked off his feet. Wow.
September 4th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
I don’t think it was intentional, but I do think he is getting back up. However I may be wrong. I don’t think we should discount the possibility that Bull managed to sucker him somehow. After all that would make for a more interesting plot. : ) Those are always good.
September 4th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
JED, so… short… powerful… and looking out for his students….
did he have an extra mass of ear hair? carry a cane? no offense but I dunno, I just thought… YODA!
September 4th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
Wolf and Fatuncle, I was gonna guess that way too (take a fall to finish it quickly), but we will see. Jean, I think Donnil is more frustrated at missing than pissed for taking a hit. He obviously can take a hit. But, again, we will see. Most male cultures are taught not to hit a guy when he is down. I sure as hell would not expect it to be honorable in Erogenia to hit or kick a man when he is down in an honorable fight.
September 4th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
I’ve been practicing Tae Kwon Do for about five years now and out school has an annual seminar where we get to practice with our Grand Master, a Ninth Dan. He’s in his 70’s now, although he doesn’t look it, and it is absolutely TERRIFYING to watch the man move. Anyone that has dedicated that much of their life to a martial art is going to remain dangerous until the day they die.
September 5th, 2009 at 2:12 am
Woot! Called the ages pretty close.
While he doubtless has been keeping in practice and in shape, he’s a ruling political elite, not a martial arts instructor. Also this is straight up “boxing” so far and so a lot of the finesse of the inner martial arts isn’t going to be in play.
Taking a fall is pretty hard if you don’t train with that in mind and its not part of the dance. Sure you can leave yourself open, but it looks like you are leaving yourself open and the other guy is going to clock you and be pissed.
September 5th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Kamatu, If Donnil had hit Tethik any harder, Tethik would be missing a head right now.
September 5th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
Looking at the map, I forsee Mentl’s party meeting up with Tethik some time in the near future. Two scenarios come to mind.
A: Meet at Bull tribe) If the gang was traveling west from Normos when they were hijacked by Urtts, and traveled though the caves, they probably ended up far south of where they wanted to go. The started north, meet Prince P, and that’s where we switch over.
OR
B) Under the mountains, leaving them on the side of the mounts where the Fire and Lion tribes lie. Again, drawing them north and then they meet at the Moon Tribe’s holdings. But that would involve a bit of a cluster**** of expositions new meetings and other such and such.
September 5th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
@God: That’s true, however in a feudal society like the one the Kivalians seem to posess (sp?) the ruling elite ARE the martial arts instructors, military obligation is the whole basis for the feudal system. Admittedly, Eastern martial arts and the sort of fighting styles to be found in most Western cultures are markedly different, but that doesn’t make the dedication one must devote to ones training any less. Given Tethik’s obvious conditioning and the extreme unlikelyhood of finding a branch of Gold’s Gym in Kivalia, that leaves continuous training as the most likely candidate.
Wow, that got long in a hurry. XD
September 6th, 2009 at 12:26 am
TLGarou, for the majority of martial artists the only big difference is the legendary “mystical” martial arts of the Orient made popular by movies and anime. Different cultures and economic situations between the two which gave a better climate for technological development in the West.
BTW, don’t hold up the katana as something awesome. Yes, the style of crafting was uber, but the reason for it? Some great mystical thing? Special Oriental secret? Or something simple like rare and crappy iron ore that wasn’t up to the quality of what was in Europe?
While folded steel and great craftsmanship was being lavished on katanas, in Europe they were _casting_ sword blanks, the iron there made steel that hard.
Of course, virtually every culture has some kind of fighting style, but there is still that decent strand of evidence than Japan got them from Korea, Korea from Chine, China from India and India from the Greeks.
September 6th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Kamatu
Concerning the Japan–from–Greece links, I am interested in that sort of history. Can you off-hand provide a link, or call to mind a source that I can read for myself?
I’ve heard of the possible connections as far back as India, but Greece? That’s a new one to me.
September 6th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Oh, no arguement here, Kamatu.
All I said was that they were DIFFERENT, I said nothing about one being better than the other. That being said, the oppertunity for clarification was helpful, thank you.
-Fatuncle, one of the original events in the ancient Olympics was a form of combat called Pankration(sp?), it was not unusual for serious injury or even death to result from a match. It was -and still is- one of the most vicious forms of martial art out there. Don’t believe me? Look it up on YouTube some time, that is some scary stuff.
Come to think of it, in real combat some Erogenian tribes probably use something similar. Eek.
September 7th, 2009 at 8:42 am
Not a simple one. Start at the wiki on pankration. I dug this stuff up in the 80s doing research for a game a friend was developing on martial arts. The problem you have in “proving” this connection comes from the mix of folk tales/tradition vs. actual documentation.
We know the Greeks had pankration prior to 400 BC, probably well prior. Alexander the Great had pankration fighters with him during his conquests that extended into India and he planted colonies. Also pankration was taught to most Greek hoplites in some form like hand to hand is taught to military members today. It was a bit more relevant then than today. After all, we are expected to shoot them first and hopefully not indulge in such things as the groin smash to be done with open cupped palm and immediately followed by a grab, squeeze and twist.
The Chinese claim a 4000 year old history for some form of martial arts, as created by the “Yellow Emperor”, but then he was supposed to have also been the one to invent Chinese healing and various other things and ended up a deity or demigod in Taoist beliefs. The earliest documentary connection comes from around the time of Christ (after Alexander).
The best documented use of systematic martial arts in China come from around 400-500 AD (although evidence points to some earlier forms) and include the Bodiharma legend of a monk from India bringing knowledge to China. I will note that the early records I’ve read or read about link pre-Buddhist Taoist priests more to magical/mystical stuff than kung fu and most of the kung fu type systemic martial arts appear after Buddists started coming up from India.
It really is a matter of documents and dates. Greeks have the earliest known and documented systematic martial art. India has some documented after Alexander and before China. We also have a strong traditional influence from India on Chinese martial arts. Of course, about the time we have the rise of Shaolin and various other temples in China, we have pankration being outlawed in Europe, so it disappears.
Is it solid? No, but I see a real strong connection and influence. I won’t bet the bank on it, but if you get a time machine, I have $20 I’ll put on it. Yeah, one reason I put only $20 is that we could quibble all day on the definitions of “strong”, “connection” and “influence”.
September 7th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Never got the chance to type this earlier, but regarding JED’s comment about LOTR appendices…
All in favor of making JED type up a complete history of Erogenia say Aye!
September 7th, 2009 at 10:04 am
There was a tv “reality” show that traced martial arts from it’s beginning in greece to it’s current height in the lethal MCMAT. It’s pretty much the recognized history of martial arts. Vids are still on youtube.
*back on Topic*
JED very nice realistic faces. A history of the parties involved ala Tolkien would indeed be nice, but only if it did not interfere with your current artwork!
September 7th, 2009 at 10:29 am
@Sleepin: “All in favor of making JED type up a complete history of Erogenia say Aye!”
Sounds like a job for a dedicated fan to me.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
I’ll have to say Nay. I know, I know–don’t pelt me with rotten vegetables and Yatta-ta’s interest in defeating me in combat–but seriously, if he stops to do THAT, he won’t have time to work on the comic! (Or my cheesecake order; I’m patiently waiting for that to be finished. Dunno about aPrincess or the other ladies, but I shall be patient…) No, writing up the whole backstory of Erogenia would take waaaay too much time.
I shall instead vote for more snippets of information posted from time to time in the Erogenia section. And cheesecake. Mmmm, cheeeeesecaaaaaaake… *drool*
September 7th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Unless everyone here wants to contribute enough income that JED can quit his day job and do nothing but the comic, I have to vote no. There aren’t enough hours in his day as it is, sometimes.
September 8th, 2009 at 7:02 am
Agreed.
September 8th, 2009 at 7:49 am
One word: Dang T_T
I guess I would have to agree myself then. Still, it would be a nice project for JED to work on over time. A leetle bit here, a leetle bit there, nibbling, just not all at once ^_^
XD bad analogy, I know.
September 8th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Bah, after his long stint as comic relief, when the big battle comes, I say that Yatta-ta, being distracted from his Zona fixation will be seriously into kicking butt and taking names at least covering the main players flanks and back. Heh, not with the same total professionalism as the Colour Sargeant Bourne showed in the movie Zulu, but with the same precise and methodical methods that Bourne used with the bayonet instead of the raging or berserker mode of most of the combatants.
Not killing faster or quicker, but not killing any slower than the rest of the second rank supporting cast. They will yell, rage and hammer their foes down, while Yatta-ta will parry, deflect, dodge and thrust after creating the opening. While not speaking of his orientation and compared to Tethik (who is slogging with the rest), Yatta-ta will fight in an almost prissy manner. Which would work out, Tethik has cunning, strategy, tactics, diplomacy and many modes of fighting. Yatta-ta will be focused on his swordsmanship.
Heck, I don’t know why I think this about the silly f*ckwit. I do know we will find out later from JED.
September 8th, 2009 at 11:54 am
BAH, cannot edit. Correction, to last sentence of the second paragraph: “Yatta-to will be focused on his _fencing_.
October 28th, 2009 at 10:19 am
Why are we rooting for Tethik? Ithought he’s a shyster…not?